SS vs CHS (hypothetically speaking of course)

Coach P

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So since we have a somewhat vitrual line up for SS and CHS was hoping to continue the conversation on a head to head match up with two top programs. I do no know all of Cibola's possible line up so if any one has more info, please add to the conversation or post their line and I will create another thread for a head to head between SS and CIB. Here is what I got from another thread on ranking. Line ups are not confirmed and completely built on opinions/estimates/and of course rumors....lol. Let's have a little fun.

SS vs CHS
106 Alanis vs Espalin
113 Ybarra vs Nguyen
120 Garcia vs Kelly
126 Loiza vs Larkin
132 Rodriguez vs Garcia
138 Bravo vs Bigelow
145 Rubio vs Kemper
152 vs Groves
160 Wyatt vs Groves
170 Mordecai vs Robinson
182 Rees vs Cotti
195 Sotelo vs Sobas
220 Gonzales vs Deasey
HWY Monriel vs Weismen
Ran out of some time. I will finish this evening.
 
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bayoubadger

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106 - While Espalin may be a National caliber wrestler, so is Alanis. Espalin wrestled in Schoolboy Duals at 84 pounds in June. He will just be too small to offer much competition. We saw this with Garcia at SS for his first to years. Alanis will win by major decision.

4-0 SS

113 - State Champ against a kid that went 15-10. Ybarra by pin.

10-0 SS

120 - Garcia won last year, see no reason it will be different. Garcia by decision.

13-0 SS

126 - This one is mildly interesting if for nothing other than the last name. A good freshman against a good senior who is a two time runner up at state. Have to go with Loiza by decision, until Larkin proves himself.

16-0 SS

132 – Rodriguez placed 3rd at State. Garcia did not place. Rodriguez by decision.

19-0 SS

138 – No explanation needed. RBY by pin.

25-0 SS

145 – If Rubio wrestles he took 4th at State wrestling 2 weight classes up, Kemper had a losing record. Rubio by Major Decision.

29-0 §

152 – Groves DII State Champ, SS ? Groves by pin.

29 – 6 SS

160 – Groves DII State Champ, Wyatt good but not on the same level. Groves by pin.

29 – 12 SS

170 – The last time we saw Mordecai on a mat in AZ he was finishing as a State runner-up as a freshman at 170, Robinson had a decent record but Mordecai is better. Mordecai by decision.

31 – 12 SS

182 – Rees is finally healthy and will benefit from practicing with Mordecai, Cotti has yet to see action. Rees by pin.

37 – 12 SS

195 – Sobas was really good in Schoolboys. Wrestling this big as a freshman he will run into guys that are MUCH stronger than him. Sotelo could be one of those guys. Sotelo by decision.

40 – 12 SS

220 – Deasey also did well in Schoolboys. Gonzales has much less experience. Deasey by pin.

40 – 18 SS

HWT – Monriel has finally grown into a real HWT. Going into his third year on varsity. Weismen had a rough go of it last year. Monriel by pin.

Final Score SS 46 – CHS 18
 

az_wrestler

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in my opinion...if this was to take place before January then you wont see where wrestlers really are..after the allowance is when the lineups are determined. Tournaments like FW and Peoria will show what weight most likely a wrestler will be at for state. As far as I'm concerned duel matches before January wrestlers usually wrestle up. AIA should just make the wt classes all the same from start to finish, enforce the wt certification and one state tourney...again my opinion
 

whenndoubtchokemout

"when in doubt, chokem out"
106 - While Espalin may be a National caliber wrestler, so is Alanis. Espalin wrestled in Schoolboy Duals at 84 pounds in June. He will just be too small to offer much competition. We saw this with Garcia at SS for his first to years. Alanis will win by major decision.

4-0 SS

113 - State Champ against a kid that went 15-10. Ybarra by pin.

10-0 SS

120 - Garcia won last year, see no reason it will be different. Garcia by decision.

13-0 SS

126 - This one is mildly interesting if for nothing other than the last name. A good freshman against a good senior who is a two time runner up at state. Have to go with Loiza by decision, until Larkin proves himself.

16-0 SS

132 – Rodriguez placed 3rd at State. Garcia did not place. Rodriguez by decision.

19-0 SS

138 – No explanation needed. RBY by pin.

25-0 SS

145 – If Rubio wrestles he took 4th at State wrestling 2 weight classes up, Kemper had a losing record. Rubio by Major Decision.

29-0 §

152 – Groves DII State Champ, SS ? Groves by pin.

29 – 6 SS

160 – Groves DII State Champ, Wyatt good but not on the same level. Groves by pin.

29 – 12 SS

170 – The last time we saw Mordecai on a mat in AZ he was finishing as a State runner-up as a freshman at 170, Robinson had a decent record but Mordecai is better. Mordecai by decision.

31 – 12 SS

182 – Rees is finally healthy and will benefit from practicing with Mordecai, Cotti has yet to see action. Rees by pin.

37 – 12 SS

195 – Sobas was really good in Schoolboys. Wrestling this big as a freshman he will run into guys that are MUCH stronger than him. Sotelo could be one of those guys. Sotelo by decision.

40 – 12 SS

220 – Deasey also did well in Schoolboys. Gonzales has much less experience. Deasey by pin.

40 – 18 SS

HWT – Monriel has finally grown into a real HWT. Going into his third year on varsity. Weismen had a rough go of it last year. Monriel by pin.

Final Score SS 46 – CHS 18

I got Kelly beating Garcia and Robinson a close win against Mordecai, 106 will be a close match and Sunnyside 126 in overtime. All other matches I agree.
 
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I got Kelly beating Garcia and Robinson a close win against Mordecai, 106 will be a close match and Sunnyside 126 in overtime. All other matches I agree.

Garcia vs Kelly would be a great match! I believe they wrestled last season and Garcia won. However, Kelly was still able to make the cut to 108 for state and I don't see anyway Garcia could have made that even if Ybarra wasn't at 108. Both wrestled 113 at Fargo, so size differential may be gone, if not Kelly having slight size advantage.

Not sure Espalin will be able to make much of a difference (this year) due to size and strength deficit to upper classman. It is going to take a lot of adjustment going from 84 lb pre-puberty school boy to wrestling 118-120 lb post-puberty Jr/Sr cutting down to 108. That's what you have in top 3 ranked 106 (assuming they are still able to hit that weight). Even if they aren't someone else will fit the criteria to take their place.

Agree with other matches. This would be a tough loss for Chandler because they are going to be a great team, just a little young I think this year. Can't wait to watch their program over next few years.
 

TUMBLEWEED

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Disagree, Garcia, not only having to older brothers who were state champs, is a senior with a very high wrestling IQ, beats Kelly easy like he did last year. mordacai is gonna come like a bat out of hell and so is alanis, 126 Loiza to strong and gets the fall. Ybarra, rby, Rodriguez, Rees, all these kids will be very hard to beat. Especially at state, and who knows maybe sunnyside will make room for jb, never know. Thats a high caliber team. IMO

I'm with you, I don't see Chandler winning much more then 3 matches.
Looks like a definite blow out.
I predict SS scores at least 3X as many points as chandler (in a dual meet)
 

Coach P

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Lots of key changes...but I think SS still pulls it out.

SS vs CHS
106 Brown vs Espalin
113 Garcia vs Alanis
120 Ybarra vs Larkin
126 Loiza vs Kelly (Toss up)
132 Rodriguez vs Garcia
138 Bravo vs Bigelow
145 Rubio vs Kemper
152 vs Groves
160 Wyatt vs Groves
170 Mordecai vs Robinson
182 Sotelo vs Cotti
195 Rees vs Sobas
220 Gonzales vs Deasey
HWY Monriel vs Weismen
My picks are in bold.
9 matches to 4.
 
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WolfPack

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I would remove Larkin from the list. He is still recovering from knee surgery and I have a feeling he will not wrestle all season but that could change.

Also Cotti at 182 quit. He wants to be able to spend more time with his girlfriend then wrestle. Right now there is no one listed at 182 which is sad for a school as big as Chandler. There is a very novice freshman at 182 but I doubt they will have him wrestle Varsity. Don't want him to quit middle of his first year.

Sobas has stated that he might go down to 184 after the holiday weight increase but that will leave a hole at 195 where there is no one else to take over.

Deasey is at 225 right now but he will be down to 220 by the first meet (Which will not be until 11/29 now. The meet against Central, Tucson and Millennium has been canceled or postpone.).


Lots of key changes...but I think SS still pulls it out.

SS vs CHS
106 Brown vs Espalin
113 Garcia vs Alanis
120 Ybarra vs Larkin
126 Loiza vs Kelly (Toss up)
132 Rodriguez vs Garcia
138 Bravo vs Bigelow
145 Rubio vs Kemper
152 vs Groves
160 Wyatt vs Groves
170 Mordecai vs Robinson
182 Sotelo vs Cotti
195 Rees vs Sobas
220 Gonzales vs Deasey
HWY Monriel vs Weismen
My picks are in bold.
9 matches to 4.
 

TUMBLEWEED

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I'm with you, I don't see Chandler winning much more then 3 matches.
Looks like a definite blow out.
I predict SS scores at least 3X as many points as chandler (in a dual meet)

Looks like they only have 9 kids weighed in.
Pretty weak.

Hey Wolf pack.. where’s everyone at?
 

matman

Member
Yeah wolf pack, pretty weak.

Coaches and parents are too worried about taking an L and it hurting there seeding or record. Final score - SS 68 Chandler 18
 

TUMBLEWEED

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My three match prediction was right on.

Can say the same thing for SS not wrestling James Brown at 106.
I understand wanting a higher seed.
But disagree with the theory of hiding from top comp.

There were some rumors floating around the gym that the Groves brothers might not wrestle this year.

That would be to bad.
 

Matwizard

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My three match prediction was right on.

Can say the same thing for SS not wrestling James Brown at 106.
I understand wanting a higher seed.
But disagree with the theory of hiding from top comp.

There were some rumors floating around the gym that the Groves brothers might not wrestle this year.

That would be to bad.

Completely agree with you. It went both ways, starting with James Brown bumping up to 113 to avoid the 106 Chandler kid.

Chandler kid pinned a girl that Brown teched. I heard Groves brothers will be back after Christmas. We’ll see! Once Chandlers line up is back, could still be in top 3! Should be interesting!
 
Completely agree with you. It went both ways, starting with James Brown bumping up to 113 to avoid the 106 Chandler kid.

Chandler kid pinned a girl that Brown teched. I heard Groves brothers will be back after Christmas. We’ll see! Once Chandlers line up is back, could still be in top 3! Should be interesting!

Hiding from top Comp? James Brown avoiding the 106 Chandler Kid? I highly doubt this. I think you may need to reassess who avoided who, be it for seeding reasons or for whatever other reasons. Chandler purposely didn't take half of their roster. Sunnyside 68 - Chandler 18??? Looks like the "wolves, wolves, wolves" were doing all of the avoiding/hiding from SS in the Old Pueblo! That said, I'm sure Chandlers roster will look much different come January. It's going to be very interesting!
 

WolfPack

Member
Well that is a bunch of BS. It is pretty much the same team we have had so far this year.

The only kids that are not on the regular rooster that did not go were Rafael Garcia (sick), Michael Darbe (out for possibly the rest of the season with a neck injury).

The Groves will able to start after the meet against Central this Tuesday. That will be 6 weight-ins. So they will be eligible after the 12/19 meet. There are three kids who just start practices from the football team. Not sure where they fit in on the team roster after next week. I have been told they all have weight to cut. Especially the HWT he is somewhere over 300 right now.

So Chandler was not avoiding anyone they brought the Varsity team they always had this season so far.

Hiding from top Comp? James Brown avoiding the 106 Chandler Kid? I highly doubt this. I think you may need to reassess who avoided who, be it for seeding reasons or for whatever other reasons. Chandler purposely didn't take half of their roster. Sunnyside 68 - Chandler 18??? Looks like the "wolves, wolves, wolves" were doing all of the avoiding/hiding from SS in the Old Pueblo! That said, I'm sure Chandlers roster will look much different come January. It's going to be very interesting!
 

whenndoubtchokemout

"when in doubt, chokem out"
I don’t think Chandler should be the team Sunnyside should be worried about, CIBOLA is my pick to win it in February, with the addition of the Castaneda boys, they got some studs in the upper weights 152-Heavyweight and some tough lower weights, they wrestled against some elite competition at Reno this weekend.
 

bayoubadger

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I don’t think Chandler should be the team Sunnyside should be worried about, CIBOLA is my pick to win it in February, with the addition of the Castaneda boys, they got some studs in the upper weights 152-Heavyweight and some tough lower weights, they wrestled against some elite competition at Reno this weekend.
I agree. Chandler is not a real threat. While I think Arizona's transfer rules are ridiculous and allow kids to basically move from one school to another with too much ease, if the Castaneda's did in fact move into Cibola's attendance area, I have zero problem with the transfer. That being said, I think Sunnyside will still take it all in February. Cibola and SS are somewhat mirror images of each other. SS is toughest 106-145, Cibola is Toughest 152-HWT. I just think there is a little less distance between Cibola and Sunnyside upper weights than there is between Sunnyside and Cibola lower weights.
 
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